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Mar 4, 2007 by matrix8967 I've been in contact with someone from HSL and i'm not going to say who. I'll tell you they aren't a sales-rep or anything like that. These are the letters >:( I wrote: Alex Morris [matrix8967@yahoo.com]. Dear HSL, I greatly appreciate you keeping soap alive and from the brink of utter bankruptcy. My name is Alex Morris and I am in charge of the Soap shoes group on www.facebook.com and the soap xanga www.xanga.com/soaprevolution. I believe I speak for MANY, MANY, soapers when I say we would like Soap to get a little more attention from HSL. I've been doing all I can to advertise Soap shoes at my school and town and state; and I'm not the only one. I'm going to be in my Senior Yearbook for Soaping. Many soapers (including my team "Soap Revolution") would like to see things such as: New shoe Designs, Resurrection of older designs (Artimes/In-stride {I understand there may be patent Issues, and mold/die issues}) Full sole plates (A-side), perhaps removable sole plates, removable plates, etc. I understand sales will have to go up. I understand Economics; supply and demand, nobody knows of soaps, so you don't want to make them as much as heelys. But I'm doing all I can to change that. I am trying to spread the word. Many people are trying to spread the word. I wish I could set up demo's in my state, but I haven't the resources. Please understand where the soap community is coming from. Thank you for your time, ---Alex s(he) wrote back: Alex: Thanks for your continued interest in Soap. We do still manufacture the “pure” SOAP shoes, but in limited quantities. As you stated, there just isn’t the demand to warrant opening new molds for new grind plates and shoes. Retailers aren’t pushing for the shoes and as a result, we’re not seeing the need to invest more than we currently do. With that said, we have continued to use Soap inspired grind plates in our shoes. If you’re looking for a new look for Soap, take a look at our Heelys Grind Shoe. We continue to put out new shoes with grind plates on a regular basis; they’re just not under the Soap name. Again, thanks for your continued interest in Soap! I wrote (after I discovered they had been lying and actually had all the molds/dies): hello, I just heard that HSL actually has all the original molds and dies for the plates and shoes from the artemis/in-stride days. :( I'd give anything to have some of those shoes again. Is there anyone I can talk to regarding these shoes. I know I'm just one person, but I'd like to talk to someone about this, to atleast give myself piece of mind. ---Alex They wrote back (and this is the real pisser): Alex: At this time, we do not have any plans to reopen those molds. There is a minimum quantity required in order to make any runs and again there just isn’t the demand out there to warrant doing that. I really will push you towards the Heelys. Again, take the wheel out and just use the grind part of the shoe if you are not interested in learning to use the wheel. The plate is the same or similar, depending on the shoe, to the Soap design and just as functional. We just had a shoot on Friday to capture the tricks that our skaters can do at skate parks and the grinds they’re doing are the same as the grinds for Soap. The skate park manager is a former Soaper and he was impressed with what our skaters can accomplish. I hope that helps to answer your questions. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------- So, tell me what you guys want to say to this person, and I'll email it, un-edited. be professional, but firm. what do you guys think? ---Alex Replies
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Mar 4, 2007DarkVermillion
Mar 4, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 4, 2007dunk
If you understand economics, supply and demand then surely you'll understand that HSL aren't going to pour money into a sinking ship for love nor money. I've lost track of the number of times people on this forum have been told by HSL that "there just isn’t the demand" and "retailers aren’t pushing for the shoes". Look at it from HSL's point of view, why invest in a product that no one, or very few people (in the grand scheme of things), actually wants.
Personally, I think you're wasting your time writing emails to them since it's pretty obvious that all they're doing is fobbing you off. Do something a little more proactive like organizing a demo and getting the word out about Soap shoes, last I heard the NYCS boys had managed to secure some soap shoes from HSL, so it seems they're willing to help out in some small way.
But I promise you, hand on heart, HSL will do absolutely nothing with the Soap brand unless they see its popularity grow, and the only way that's gonna happen is at a grass roots level with people like you organizing demos, making soap shoes websites and shooting sick videos and putting them on sites like YouTube so other people can see what Soap shoes are all about. The internet is an awesome marketing tool (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing">Viral Marketing) but you're gonna have to do the promotion yourself because, whilst HSL continues to own the hugely successful competing brand that is currently wiping the floor of the grind shoe market, they have absolutely zero interest in reviving Soap, it's just very, very basic business sense and nothing you say in an email will ever convince them otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just trying to get you to look at things from a different perspective.
I think that in this case, action (by way of demos and getting the word out) will speak far louder than words.
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
oh by the way, that was either:
Venus Yin or
Brooks Stradigary who answered those messages
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
The only way these guys are gonna listen to us is with demos. And that is what we (The NYCS) managed to do. Thanx to Steve Deel, the NYCS is gonna throw a Soap demo in the greatest city in the world.
As soon as I get the shoes, Me, Dario, and Sal will decide on a date for the demo
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
I'm trying. I'm doing all I can. And in the end, it may not matter at all. but at least I did what I could.
---Alex
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
Soap is all about the brand to me. not just the function. sick vids? sic pics? I'm pissed, so I should channel some anger. I need a camera.
---Alex
Mar 5, 2007SapAuthor
And yes, you were right Renny, as usual lol.
Also, Trey D's friend owns a skate shop and is interested in supplying SOAPs again, it's a step in the right direction, but Trey needs to really provide a lot of hype if the guy can get HSL to send him shoes as well, and get them to sell.
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
Really though, our best shot at getting Soap out there again quickly (within a couple of years) is collaborating to make a Soap movie that decimates everything else. And it would have to become highly popular on numerous websites....
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
I advertise every where I can. Perhaps I should put up pamphlets at school? just put them on the walls, in lockers, etc. things spread like mad at this school. this is the most rumor-prone school ever. people will probably start saying "I invented these shoes..." lol.
teacher
---Alex
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
As for shoes being produced, i feel that:
From HSL:
Express, Scam, T-bone should be made (A-sides wont come back, despite our efforts)
From Other Molds:
Scorchers (for sonic freaks), Broadsides, Ordnance
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
Also Scabs. and Crowbars. and prabas.
I might be in the YearBook for soaping. Journalism won't do a story about it because it's a sport and the ONLY sport that anyone cares about in this town is Football. the have like a huge budget and we havn't won a game in like 6 years.
Robert and I have been soaping alot and have gotten kids curious. I think maybe if we went to little rock, got some PR's and tried to talk to a mall manager, we could set up in the mall with some music and stuff...but we wouldnt be able to let people try the soaps, they could only watch us soap. :(
maybe when i get some money, I can buy like 2 pairs in each size...but it would take a LONG time...and then i'd have bought ALOT of shoes I can't do anything with...>:( damn.
I've thought about soaping my local newspaper's building. but there's not much to soap and they'd probably just get pissed.
I'm bored in 1st period because I forgot my Ipod @_@ so this is probably unnecissarly long...
---Alex
Mar 5, 2007SapAuthor
Mar 5, 2007guero12
Especially the Scorchers shoes, I want them really bad.
Mar 5, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 5, 2007Slidey
Mar 5, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
So if HSL wants to retro any of their own Soaps, they should do the Scam, Express, and Groove. And If they want to be saints and please us all (lmfao I'll never live to see that day), they'd retro the Scorcher, Septum, Dash, Flow, Crowbar, and Squeaky Clean.
Mar 5, 2007Surfaced
Mar 5, 2007AnthoFlex
Express, Scam, A-side (you were right about the T-bones)
Mar 5, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 5, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 5, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
---Alex
Mar 5, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 5, 2007mgm
Mar 5, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 5, 2007matrix8967
they aren't going out of thier way because they say there aren't enough people interested. but they aren't looking!
---Alex
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007AnthoFlex
Goas for the gangsta community, i've been told millions of times that the Goas look like Jordans
Mar 6, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 6, 2007matrix8967
HSL:
Express, Scam, Chaos.
Artemis/In-stride:
Broadside, Ordnance, Cleans, Scabs, Goas, and Scorchers.
(I'll personally throw in Crowbars, but I think that's just me...I love those shoes. those things are tanks. Urban Assault Vehicles.)
---Alex
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 6, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 6, 2007matrix8967
---Alex
Mar 6, 2007matrix8967
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007AnthoFlex
Olly a FEW models should be released EXCLUDING the Chaos. People are saying that they want the Express, Scam, Chaos. But they all have the same damn plate, almost the same basic design, if they release those, they would just be making the same mistake again
Mar 6, 2007Slidey
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007Surfaced
And Renny is correct, arguably one of the things that killed HSL Soap sales was that they released a massive fleet all at one time, with all models sharing the same sole and two models being exactly the same. Every other company that has done that went bankrupt, and the only reason HSL didn't was because of their faithful Heelys providing for their mistake.
It would be a blessing for HSL to retro another model, and if they do, it will only be one.
Mar 6, 2007JeiHeirumaru
Mar 6, 2007Surfaced
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 6, 2007matrix8967
Let's start a battle plan. If each one of us convince 2 people to BUY soaps, and then tell them to convince 2 people to BUY soaps. and keep it going. hell, why stop at two, convince AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, and then tell them to convince 5 people or something. spread the word. hand out pamphlets. places make cheap copies. 10 bucks for a 100 copies maybe?
ergh, I've gotta go...band concert in an hour...Hand out pamphlets. do stuff.
---Alex
Mar 6, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 7, 2007matrix8967
"I know, I'm with you all the way Alex. Just ask if you need any support, I'm your soaper"
which says "dedication mutha-fuka!" lol
I was talking to the people who ARE wishing.
We're all working hard. but we should work smarter not harder. If this falls through, I've got some more ideas. about how to really get to HSL. Renny knows what I'm talking about. (keep it a secret so we can more of an effect out of it)
ugh, i've gotta go @_@ band concert. I'm all tux-ed up man!
---Alex
Mar 7, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 7, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 7, 2007sam
Mar 7, 2007sam
Mar 7, 2007sam
Mar 7, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 7, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 7, 2007Surfaced
Mar 7, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 7, 2007matrix8967
If they want Retailers to demand soaps, we should show the retailers. show them the product. tell them where to get it. give them steve's contact info. let's get retailers interested. Sunday morning I'm handing this thread over to HSL in every way I know how. I'll post the results on here. if there are no more results, I've got more ideas. We'll get results for this. they can't avoid us.
---Alex
Mar 7, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 7, 2007Surfaced
Mar 7, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 7, 2007Slidey
Mar 7, 2007SapAuthor
Mar 7, 2007Slidey
Boltars are VERY durable, and the bars on the side WILL NOT let you down. They've performed greatly with cess slides for me.
Mar 7, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 7, 2007SapAuthor
Mar 7, 2007Surfaced
Mar 7, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 7, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 7, 2007AnthoFlex
So you guys wanna disagree with that? If you do, Team Heelys alwyas has spots open.....seriously, ALWAYS
Mar 7, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 7, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 8, 2007matrix8967
start advertising soap. start spreading the word. let's not just sit here on a forum post and say "I wish this would happen" (some of you aren't. i know. but some are.)
Let's show HSL that we mean business. tell me how you feel about soap. plaster it up here.
here's what I think.
HSL has saved soap, but has left it comatose. they won't advertise for it because they are prideful and scared. they KNOW soaps will kill Heely's. they know soaps will TAKE OFF and murder heely's because as we all know...heely's aren't REAL grind shoes. I'd take some Mr. Wilsons over heely's man. Soap's are so much cooler than heely's. Heely's are like "hold on to something sturdy and be sure to wear your helmet!" and soaps are like "get some balls and do it, if you can't do it, DON'T BUY THE SHOES!"
Artemis/In-stride weren't about the money, they where about the SPORT. like replaceable plates. if a plate breaks with the retro shoes, you get some allowance and get some new plates. you don't have to spend another 70 dollars on shoes. UNLIKE HSL. they want you to buy another pair of 70 dollar shoes. Artemis/In-stride's cemented plates where placed FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM. not PLACED UPON YOU WITH NO CHOICE!
Soaps are about more than the action. I remember being with my best friends and having thier crowbars and scorchers and using them. Now that they're gone, I'm still doing it. when some one says "soap" in any context (even the hygiene product) I think of those Crowbars sitting in his room.
that's my take. start sharing. show HSL soap's WILL SOAR!
---Alex
Mar 8, 2007matrix8967
Mar 8, 2007mgm
Mar 8, 2007matrix8967
Mar 8, 2007sam
Mar 8, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 8, 2007matrix8967
---Alex
Mar 8, 2007sam
Mar 8, 2007sam
Mar 8, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 8, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 8, 2007sam
Mar 8, 2007ordnanceflint91
Mar 9, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 9, 2007DeanSoaper
Mar 9, 2007matrix8967
Mar 9, 2007SapAuthor
But yeah, Heely's are popular among the younger kids, a lot of kids at one point in time had a pair, even I did. Only after wearing them they realize they are uncomfertable and hard on the legs.
Seriously, we all need to stop hating on HSL, we are lucky they gave us the chance to bring back SOAPs, and who needs them to advertise (yeah it would be really nice if they did). I just want them to do the small things like get us the demo shoes and the domain rights to soapshoes.com and we can do it ourselves. WE are the new SOAP corperation, everyone of us, and we can't relay on HSL to baby us by giving us everything and going out of their way, cuz reality is, they wont.
If we want size 13 and 14, we got to convince them (and I am working with steve to do that, not with complaints, but with cold hard data on sales). For advertising we have Renny and the soapshoes myspace site, which we are working and building our own kick-butt pro quality flash application for it. As soon as HSL gets us the demo shoes, we are also doing demos, and everyone is helping by SOAPing and spreading the word and getting more sale.
February sales, compared to January sales, were up 18%! ANd march is looking promising too.
Plus, if we can keep sales up for a couple more months, we should experience a loop effect, where as the shoes start to wear (no shoe lasts forever, expeically with me), people who bought soaps before will buy them again (cuz they rock and feel good). So if we can reach the point where people are buying SOAPs to replace theirs, then we can maintain sales and continue to increase.
This continuation, as well as getting 13 and 14s, will start to show HSL that this can work. Expecially since HSL has it's market in younger kids, and ours is in older, so we are working to show them that if they promote soaps some, they can KEEP their customers who would normally stop buying Heelys by buying SOAPs, so they still make profit and keep customers nearly throughout their life. That's a lot of shoes in the long run.
I'm making charts, analyzing data, working with Renny and Steve, but seriously everyone, stop hating on HSL, it's a business, I run 2, i know what it's like, and they won't do anything htat wont' make them money, Period. If you expect them to then your a fool.
Mar 10, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 11, 2007matrix8967
Mar 11, 2007SapAuthor
Me and steve are working on data and plans, we'll fight fire with fire.
Mar 11, 2007matrix8967
---Alex
Mar 12, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 12, 2007matrix8967
---Alex
Mar 18, 2007heelyhailey
Hehe, I was at that shoot. But seriously man, heelys are in the process of useing different plates other than express plates for there shoes, all of which had been on soap models. I'm with corporate, you dont like heelys, take the wheel out and it's pretty much a pair of soaps.
Mar 18, 2007heelyhailey
Venus Yin or
Brooks Stradigary who answered those messages"
ROFL, STRADIGARY!
ok, sorry, but it's really not stradigary
Mar 18, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 18, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 18, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 18, 2007SapAuthor
Even if HSL comes out with replacable plate models, Heelys still have uncomfertable soles, and none of us want that for our shoes. If Heelys are going replacable, if we can pump up sales quickly, maybe this will allow us to get HSL to give us another SOAP shoe model, like boltars or similar. Eitherway we aren't going to give up, right guys? We've come to far.
Mar 18, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 18, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 18, 2007matrix8967
Mar 18, 2007AnthoFlex
but heres my opinion....
Why am i gonna pay like $60-70 more for a wheel that im not gonna use? ; )
Mar 18, 2007SapAuthor
Mar 18, 2007heelyhailey
Mar 18, 2007AnthoFlex
Sizes 3-5 are $30.75
Sizes 6-9 are $50.75
Sizes 10-12 are $55.75
Ordnance
All sizes are $40.75
Mar 18, 2007heelyhailey
Mar 18, 2007sam
Mar 18, 2007Slidey
But plenty of stores have other Soaps left.
I find that there would be a huge problem with Heelys for me. Seeing as I like to combine a bit of parkour when I go out soaping a dodgey, uncomfortable sole is the last thing on earth I need.
When you wall run if the shoe don't bend your screwed, and for steep/big handrails or big jumps you NEED a good sole (preferably with suspension) to make sure you land well.
Mar 18, 2007SapAuthor
Just face it though, really none of us want a wheel, nor the hard and uncomfertable sole of heelys shoes just to SOAP, nor want to pay an arm and a leg for them.
Besides if you are so intersted in getting new plates and stuff, why don't YOU buy a pair of SOAPs, you can find some nice ones on ebay if your lucky, expecailly small sizes which you look from ur display picture on myspace, should fit into.
Mar 19, 2007Mart
I think the most productive thing at the moment would be to either replace your old Soaps with the Express model when the plates wear out; this would see an increase in sales of Soap Shoes over the grindplate-model Heelys and could help HSL to see that, when it comes to grinding, we'd much rather prefer to bust out in Soap-brand shoes than Heelys. Another possible avenue would be to push for HSL to step up R&D in making Heelys more comfortable, seeing as more people seem to take issue with that rather than the presence of the Heely over a Soap one
Mar 19, 2007AnthoFlex
Scorchers----Kids wanna have Sonic's shoes
Broadsides----Quite obvious...the Slipknot plate.
As of RIIIGHT now, the Broadside (if any shoe wer being thought of to bring back) should be the FIRST shoe re-released
Mar 19, 2007SapAuthor
Mar 19, 2007matrix8967
Mar 20, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 20, 2007matrix8967
Mar 20, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 21, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 23, 2007heelyhailey
Mar 23, 2007Jard39
Mar 23, 2007sam
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 23, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 23, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
Mar 23, 2007heelyhailey
Yeah, and how much do you think they'd take a 12 year olds opinion into consideration?
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
what are u talking about?
Mar 23, 2007AnthoFlex
And believe me....they MAYBE arent taking every Soaper here seriously, but they sure as hell are taking Me, Trev, and Steve EXTREMELY serious
Mar 23, 2007RamenRadio
And it's good that they can take you Renny, Trev and Steve seriously. And thanks Renny, I'll definitely try to get some express :D
Mar 23, 2007SonicSoaper
Mar 24, 2007Surfaced
But no one here is twelve.
Mar 24, 2007matrix8967
I GREW UP with soap...it's part of me. kids now grew up with heely's...it's like how every kid thinks thier mom is the best cook.
---ALex
Mar 24, 2007RamenRadio
Mar 27, 2007rhinoskater30
Kids with the plates won't even know where they came from.
Let's look at the Broadsides and A-Sides....
Can HEELYS do THAT?!!!
Mar 27, 2007mgm
Mar 28, 2007Surfaced
However, if HSL starts doing some big thinking and engineering, they could find a way to move those two wheels into the sole of the shoe, while still having a full sole plate.
Looking something like this: (W=wheel, O=plate)
REAR
_____
/ O \
|W O W|
| O |
OOOOOOO
OOOOOOO
| O |
| O |
\__O__/
FRONT
I pray that they never see this thread lol.
Mar 28, 2007Surfaced
Mar 28, 2007Surfaced
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Mar 28, 2007Surfaced
Mar 28, 2007SonicSoaper
Jun 27, 2007Soaper13
Jun 27, 2007RamenRadio
Anyway, you're definitely right soaper13. A lot of people here want scorchers and broadsides. Hell, if HSL released ANY shoe that was not the express, I'd instantly buy 5 pairs.
However, HSL cannot accept the fact that people don't like heelys anymore, yet they still want to stick to it. It's not soap what they care about, it's heelying.
Jun 27, 2007RamenRadio
Jun 27, 2007iwantsoapshoes
Jun 27, 2007RamenRadio
Jun 27, 2007iwantsoapshoes
Jun 27, 2007SapAuthor
Jun 28, 2007RamenRadio
P.S. Don't forget the one Renny made
Jun 28, 2007AnthoFlex
Jun 28, 2007RamenRadio
Jun 29, 2007SapAuthor
Jun 29, 2007Megashadow77
Jun 29, 2007RamenRadio
And it's not how we do not like heelys. So what, we don't like it? That's something HSL cannot change. What they don't understand is how we don't like they way that their heelys look. They tell us that all they are doing is use it under heelys, but it's a lot more. It's the price for something we don't want, it's the style of the shoes (we don't like the style, and even though they have a new model every single quarter, IT'S THE SAME THING). We don't like that, we like style as well as soaping. That's something HSL has never gotten and I'm afraid will never get.
The point is that, under heelys our demands as the "buyer" as I'm going to call it will never be met. Under soap shoes, we at least still have the style. But I'm afraid that is going to be the same until HSL realizes that we want variety
They should stop making more heelys every single quarter and they should make more soap shoe models. Soap shoes have style. Heelys just don't.
DId that sound any better by any chance lol
Jun 30, 2007SonicSoaper
Jun 30, 2007SpiderSoaper
Basically:
Soaps are dangerous........when using them uncarefully
and
Heelys are dangerous.......even when not using them
hell i mean when walking with heelys u dont know wat could happen, and when walking most people take a new step by first planting on their heel, and wats in the heel of a heely? a wheel in which u'll always step on
Jun 30, 2007SpiderSoaper
Jun 30, 2007Megashadow77
Soaping is much more dangerous.....
Jun 30, 2007Megashadow77
Well, if you know what your doing, you won't do that. But, you could be an Expert Soaper, and screw up on a handrail, and break your tailbone.
Jun 30, 2007SpiderSoaper
Jun 30, 2007Megashadow77
Jun 30, 2007Megashadow77
Jun 30, 2007SpiderSoaper
Jun 30, 2007matrix8967
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/matrix8967/?action=view¤t=CIMG0637.jpg
i landed on it funny, and i was leaned more back instead of in the middle and my feet went from under me and i moved in just enough time to save my reproductive organs from being smeared on the rail...one leg went left, the other right, and i almost lost me boys! but i shifted and took the tail-bone instead...my ass looked like johnny knoxvilles legs from jackass 2 when he was mauled by the bull...@_@
Jun 30, 2007Megashadow77
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