and the idiot who tried to Grind on the fountain

actually, the asian kid in the red shirt who grinds rails in that video is joey barbera of relate videos.

yeah, that video is straight cheese. i think they made a new howto video that's better.. but i don't think there's as much grinding or anything.

"Heel Responsibly"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wait we can use HTML right?



~JJ

Heelys are fugly as hell, but I still think that video was cool haha. But yeah, if those guys used Soaps it would've boosted the Soap popularity by a lot. I wanted Heelys because of this video, until I found out what Soaps were :P

~JJ

You know, the're still not hitting royales/farfs on them handrails

If they had handrails like that where I live I would be a pro by now

Them Heeliers aren't THAT good, I could do practically every grind in that video -.-;
and... Where's the street handrails??

*shivers*
I still don't like the video lol....

"Heel responsibly" What the fuck is up with that? They should come up with something creative like what soap did "have fun or get hurt real bad"

Joey Barbera Heelys? please......

dude, don't make a soap how to...it'll be bad...part of the old soap was just do it, or get hurt trying. it's part of it. old soap was like "get some balls and do it, or don't buy those shoes, we're about the sport." and HSL is like "hold on to a friend, or something sturdy" (i was telling people about this today...) i help people soap, but it's all in the person. if they can't do it...then they'll learn...i uno...i guess you can make a vid...i just don't know how well it will go...

---Alex

wtf. are you calling me a liar? it is joey barbera. joey did work for hsl helping to design the plates on the grails. he also helped with the plate you know and love - the express grindplate.

Brooxie, calm the fuck down....I heard it from Rob Santos as well. It was just a little hard to get that through my head...

And for the record dude, i HAVE seen oNe, and tWo...

Those were not fucking heelys dude, the slobro plate and the damn "O" was perfectly visible. They were Soaps with wheels... not Heelys. Which is weird but w.e, not my problem...

But you know what? Im supporting Soapshoes....the day that Soap and Heelys are at the same level again as they once were, THAT'S when i'll support both.

I can see where you are coming from though. "Whatever is doing the grindplate thing, i'll participate in"....thats all good...For YOU and MGM maybe.

But for me.....theres a job that needs to be done, and im not resting until i win this fight and the good name is back alive. And when THAT happens, YOU have my word, I'll support Heelys and Soap

Anything else Brooxie?

....ummm, ok....?

W/e lol.

~JJ

I don't hate heelers. I dont hate heelys (anymore). I just prefer soap. i've said it 100 times. I grew up with soap. Soap is the original. they have original fire. alot of us feel like HSL is suppressing soap and we don't like to see that happen.
say you have a friend you've grown up with your whole life. the friend gets really sick and has to go to a hospital. and at that hospital, they treat him like shit. not giving s(he) the attention they deserve when what you view as less sick patients get more attention.

I know soap isn't a cancer patient. I'm not trying to take it out of context, just RELATE to it. ;)

I won't buy heelys. I'll buy soaps. I don't wanna roll. I wanna grind. If i want wheels, i'll go for roller blades. that's my 2 cents.

---Alex

In response to Mart

I dunno about "Higher" authority because i thought we were all equal here, but you know what? Fine, my bad then, No hard feelings, i dunt wanna start nothing either...

But as for the Soapshoe with the wheel in it, i still stand by that... i have my two reasons and one of them is a SUPER SOLID source...but i have no authority to say what that source is...(although i have told a few people)

So heres reason #1:

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You cannot deny that dude....

and as for the sk8rs who try to piss on us....Im a sk8r as well, and imma tell you this...any sk8r who hates on Soapshoes is a poser, because they know the two sports are sick as fuck...So anyone here on solidgrind should not get pissed when a sk8r tries to give you shit....fucking h8rs, gives us sk8r a bad look....

The Turntables actually look pretty good in that..

And as for the descriptions... haha they're so random.

~JJ

Personally, I don't mind Heelys any more.
I've grown to deal with them, thier everywhere... so what?

It's just people having fun and in my opinion, if I get to grind I don't care about anything else.

dude, of COURSE i was agreeing with you. Even thoough the Artemis shoes descriptions are kinda cheesy, they are still WAAAY fun to read.

But "PU sockliner, SSD Shock absorbing shit?"

Noone cares, i remember the Soap Groove had a "Fun" description....but you know HSL, they couldnt make it cool....


And if you look on the Ordnance description, it says "SHIT" somewhere....HSL would never do that, its not "Professional Looking"

Thats why they didnt re-instate the Relate crew. They were too real for them

ok, this renny arguing everyone thing is getting really tired. i'm thinking about taking away bold font and caps, haha.

but anyway, just to clear a couple things up. the inventor of heelys went to soap way back in the day (before they were heelys) and said, "yo, i've got this idea, we could put wheels in shoes... we should team up." so soap was like, alright show me what you got, and they sent a handful of soaps back with roger adams. the heelys peeps put wheels in the shoes and gave them back to soap to try out. yes, they were physical soap shoes. but they had wheels in the heels, assembled by the heelys peeps. call them what you want... but they are still heelys of a sort.

long story - short, soap declined the deal, heelys was founded, became millionaires, and they then bought soap after artemis died and instride went bankrupt.

as for the point about hsl buying soap for the plates, you are right - but not in the negative way you portray. the grails were produced before hsl bought soap, so you can't really say they bought them so they could put a grindplate in their shoes.

at the time of the grails, soap was dying fast. you think soap is bad now? it was worse then - way worse. a new soap shoe hadn't been made for almost 2 years.

so anyway, i spoke with the ceo of hsl a lot that summer. he sent me sample grails, etc. i tried the grails, fell a lot, really didn't like them but i said, "you know what, it's either this, or soap dies, literally." i remember the phone conversation like it was yesterday, mike was asking me what i thought of the grails, i critiqued them. then he asked me, "do you think there's a future in grinding with shoes?" i obviously said, "hell yes" and backed up my reasoning. it was a long conversation of me selling the soap name. but he also asked me, "do you think we should buy soap shoes?" i said again, "hell yes"

if it wasn't for hsl jumping in, there's a good chance soap would be 100% dead right now. the only shoes you could get would be $350 on ebay - or maybe even $20 because no one would know what they are, ha.

so yes, i agree that they are shunning the soap scene and i hate that as much as anyone. but they are keeping it alive for the time being. not healthily alive, but alive.

would you rather another sport shoe manufacturer (like instride) come in and buy soap and completely stop manufacturing shoes?

and i know, we're in a slump again with no new models. but that's more of the history lesson.

yea, dude, good point....ma bad...

Wow, that really opens ur eyes doesnt it?

iight then, no more hate....

Now its to support Soapshoes without hating

....I'll support Grindshoes when the good name is back where it needs to be

yes...derek, you sir, get a power fist, here ya go...

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---Alex

fight the power.

lmao

wow, windows sucks... I can view the fist on my ibook, but not a PC? the wonders of windows XD

windows is like that stotchy mom that always holds her kids hand and make them paper sack lunches...mac and linux are like that cool mom down the road that lets her kids do what they want.

---Alex

no, not like not care, i mean like...they don't hold their kids hands their whole lives...like...Windows is like "are you sure you want to do this? are you positive? or you aboslutely sure?" and mac/linux are like "are you sure? k, ur choice"
not like they don't care, it's just windows is usually the primary OS for people who need to be walked step by step and Linux and MacOS assume you already know enough to operate them. more linux in that case though...

ur right, it's just a bad analogy...i'm good at communicating in person, i use alot of tone of voice when I speak...my internet communication skills suck though...

---Alex

Jesus Mart, thank you! lol

*throws cookies in the river*

Bad AJ! NO BRISK FOR YOU!

I'm not even going to attempt to start something but I will say this, if not for me the E.O.B. Soapers wouldn't even know what Brisk is.

And yes AJ, I did know about brisk before I found out about your addiction lol

tsk tsk.....getting drunk of Brisk ice tea again.........

Of course it did.....

getting drunk with an alcohol-less drink

Strange how that works....

I'm more disturbed by the video than by the heelys. "Lets show this one more time"because we're such faggots that actually think what we're doing is cool and helpful. They were smiling so gayly that it seems like they were on a date after being high by sniffing glue and where trying to explain to each other how to use heelys while forgetting that there was a camera filming them.

lol i'm tired man

Thank you for pointing that out.

And besides, i think Heeling (rolling trick-wise) is cool. But Grinding Heelys is just ehhh to me

I HATE this vid.....I saw it when I got my evos and was like "wtf?"

They make it sound so corny, and go WAY overboard with the whole safety thing.......that's why they have the "kiddie" image. Fortunately, the ppl at soap actually cared about their reputation.

So how is it that HSL makes heelys look completely dorky, and the inventors of soap shoes made soaping seem so awesome?

yeah....lol

A lot of the ppl at HSL don't use heelys....actually....I think Merlyn is the only one. They just care about business, they have no clue what's "cool" or in style, that's why they fucked up the advertising/design of heelys by making everything look and sound corny. I mean, their commercials are all "OMG LOOK, THERE'S A WHEEL IN YOUR HEEL, YOU CAN WALK, RUN, AND ROLL!!! THIS IS THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY IDEA EVER!!!!". Soap was created by cool ppl, therefore they made the shoes look cool. Instead of being like HSL, they were just like "Hey, check it out, we have a shoe that can grind". Besides that, they didn't go so overboard on safety....it's like....nobody but the ppl's moms care about that, yet they stress it SO MUCH...

Oh and also there is the kids side of the advertizing. The how-to is inconsistent with what they are doing to make it a cool sport.

Notice at the part where it says "this is how not to stop" It seems like they are making fun of the older and more skilled heelers by making them look stupid.
WTF

And the "this is how not to stop" part, they just put bails in there b/c it's funny.

Well.....I guess that's one way of looking at it. But beginning heelers wouldn't be trying to do tricks like that ;)