Not to mention that we are on the verge of getting Broadsides back all you dumbass sell-outs

Steve is taking a huge risk, paying out money to help soaps revive, renny and i have spent countless hours working on sites, demo plans, dealing with corperate...we deserve better, i expected better from you...

Hey I'm still with you guys.

You guys are all fucking sell-outs, and thats fucked up.

And on the other post, about "supporting whatever is making grindshoes"....Fuck that, im supporting SOAP, the ORIGINAL Grindshoe.

When Soap is back on top, then i'll stop hating on Heelys

Fuck anything else.

Me, Trev, and Steve have put waaaaaaay more hours of helping out soap than ALL OF YOU SELL OUTS COMBINED

not all...

Guero12, we appreciate your patriotism. Who else is still with SOAPs, which among you is still loyal to the brand?

I am going to hang some posters around my school
that I have been working on. After spring break.

leave it alone, they arent gonna make a mack like that.

Heelers hate the macks with all their hearts

iight....im calm now...

shit... heelys are only a gadget for 10year old girl.....

*I'm not going back

FUCK, i just wrote a HUGE thing about this and i submitted it, and it was deleted
FUCK

ok, i'll try to remember it...

Antho, Steve, and Sap, have been going throught all levels of hell to get soap going good again and same with all the other Street Revivers like myself (i say street revivers, because if ur like me, u just see a heeler or anyone skateboarding/blading, etc. on the street and talk soap to them.) Hell, i write "USE THIS TO BUY SOAP SHOES. WWW.SOLIDGRIND.COM" on all my dollar bills

I've been with soap since like 2000. and i stopped for years and picked up again lastyear, and found i wasnt alone. A SOAPer Divided cannont stand! sure, HSL is just a poster boy for XEROX...

Heelers aren't dumb, they aren't bad. they're just mis-informed. so school them. HSL put SOAP on mute. So WE are the voice. I'm ready to make the rector scale jump from screaming so loud. it's going to be a spring effect. the harder they push us down, the higher we'll go. but not so if people think they're better than others, or that they deserve something, or if they expect alot out of everyone, or if they rip people for doing stuff. i say, ignore HSL. pretend they aren't there. focus on SOAP. what Heelers do, shouldnt effect us. HSL has soap, so HSL has me. HSL has us. pissing them off is the smart thing to do. so if you diss on heely's...not wise. just let them go. who are we to say "you shouldn't heel because i'm a soaper and I think my dick is bigger than yours..." I'm getting a SOAP tattoo in a few years. so i'm not a nancey on any of this. I'm prepared to march down to HSL and tell them about how we feel...but i'll do it with a cool tounge.

(sorry this is so random...it was much more organized in the previous one...)

---Alex

I hear you Matrix, just that Heely's does effect us, because if we have people buying heelys, they aren't buying soaps, and it is just showing HSL that heelys are better than soaps. That's all that was really bothering me, is we need every soap sale we can, and if we are having trouble getting our soapers to buy soaps instead of heelys, we are in trouble.

Maybe it was just bad timing, suddently woosh, heelys this, heelys that. maybe things will calm down...

sorry for blowing up, we do apprecaite all the support, we are all in this, maybe both me and renny overreacted a bit, just in our minds it was looking like everyone was going to go over and buy heelys cuz they have a differnet plate here or there. it was looking like everyone was starting to get lured in...

alright, just please, if you have the option of getting heelys or soaps, please get soaps guys, we need your support...

i may have pissed you guys off for me getting some fucking heelys, but i wont apologize for it. i like them ok. the point i made for the grails was they arent a bad grind shoe. i never said i was gonna stop supporting soap. that will always be something i do. soaps are still my favorite shoe and always will be. but i see how this is. i guess i wont come around as much anymore. ill do my supporting soaps by myself on my own. if you all wanna think im a sell out, so be it. i guess i dont need you anyways. so i guess im out. and to those of you that wanna hate me now, go for it i really dont care anymore, but i will keep supporting soaps no matter what you guys think of me. call me a "sell out" if you want but i aint. peace out to all...

Did you guys read any of the heelys "how to" video post? Soaps would be dead by now if heelys didnt buy them! If you buy heelys with grindplates you are still supporting soaps beacause then HSL will see that grindshoes have become more popular these days and MIGHT be interested in making a new grind shoe. (Grind this!) I now have a pair of heelys grindshoes, so you can all fucking call me a sellout, I soap for the fun of it! I could care less who makes grind shoes I just wanna buy them to have fun, and impress people when I can. Nobody at my school can tell when I'm wearing soaps, or what they are untill I educate them about soaps, then they think there pretty damn cool. I support GRINDSHOES now, not just soap shoes beacause grinding is supposed to be fun.

Oh and hello people? Did you read the top of the homepage for solidgrind? It says GRINDSHOES, just pointing that out for people.

yeah, see, that's what i'm sayin. I don't hate heely's or heelers. and if I where younger i'd probably be a heely's freak. but i'm not. I grew up with soap, and soap and I are intertwined. Like two rivers that have merged and will never be diverse again.

Antho is right about sticking to roots. Heelers are (like i said) poster boys for xerox. means they copied grinding from soap.

---Alex

sorry trey, we did overreact, just you would panic too when it looks like the business you got is starting to loose support. heely's will be around, but soaps we have to keep going if we want it to stay going.

Like i said, it was probably bad timing, 3-4 people talking so much about heelies in just 2 days, we thought it was a trend -.-

So...... are y'all on the verge of getting Broadsides back?

yeah...I saw a little kid bust his ass hard in wal-mart the otherday...i laughed so hard...oh god, i'm rollin just thinking about it. the only thing i thought was "KARMA!!" lol

---Alex

Mart, i see your point and i see Rennys and trevors. i didnt mean to upset people. but like you said i wanted to try heelys. id never buy heelys that didnt have a grindplate though. heeling is fun but nowhere near as fun as soaps are. trust me, i wont ever buy a pair of heelys from a store where hsl will know about it. besides you cant even find heelys with plates here where i live. they dont even know what the torches are around here. but anyways, im sorry for making you all think i sold out, but in reality i didnt. i just wanted to try out a pair.

Just so I know, who was the person that said they liked heelys? I don't remember anyone saying something like that

i will say this. i like my heelys to grind with but the wheel is just dangerous lol. i still love my soaps more though. they are by far a better shoe.

And how is the PS3 better than the 360? Graphically?

ehh w.e ....no worries.

As for sticking to my roots, i guess you can say im a die-hard Soap freak....Thats why i kinda hate on Heelys a bit for the grindshoe

I have to say that heelys is what got me into soaping because I got my heelys when i was 11 and liked grinding more. Then from looking around the internet I found soaps and haven't touched my old heelys since i got my ordnance.

guero12, you wanna know what makes you say that we are on the verge of getting Broadsides?

This is how....*drum roll*

I work for HSL, i work with Trev AND Steve Deel, I keep in contact with HSL. Me, Trev, and Steve got emails (after suggesting an A-side or Broadside rebirth) stating that if we got enough interested people....AND HAD PROOF, they would let us sell them.

So we (naturally) chose Broadsides because the A-side mold are (currently) in a size 9....Broadside molds on the other hand, are available in the sizes 3-14....meaning, everyone will be happy...

Any more questions?

Oh, and just a heads up to everyone:

If we DO get the Broadsides back in production, we will suggest that ONLY sizes 7-14 be produced... This is the reason:

Any Broadside's Sole plate (Heel-toe plate) under a size 7 does not work on ANY rail...therefore, being pointless to make as this will risk losing $$$ (or ???, depending on where you live, lol) for HSL. All our hard work would go down the Drain.


....and that would suck

The A-Side was made of cheaper materials that HSL uses all of the time on their shoes. Briefly move your hand across your Broadsides' upper (or maybe just invision it if you have felt them countlessly before) You'll notice it's a very soothing leather, like a mix between Suede and leather. Additionally, the Broadside used a mid-flex plastic to support the shoes unique form (the tongue attached to the rest of the upper, making it like a sock).
Theres probably a bunch of other business risking aspects that contributed to it's price, but I'm too tired to think of any right now. Maybe Mart can do that, he's always been there to give us the logical business perspective that is absent in our writing.

And if anyone is having a hard time picturing what I mentioned, I just uploaded another folder with 8 pictures of the shoe.

http://picasaweb.google.com/vileta2/Broadside

http://www.solidgrind.com/archives/a-sides-may-undergo-grindplate-enhancements/
http://www.solidgrind.com/archives/a-sides/

These two articles are the reason why I think a straight up rerun of the Broadsides isn't the best idea. The A-Side plate is much deeper and, as was said in one of those articles, generally better designed than the Broadside plate. Personally I would prefer to see the A-Sides released (considering they put so much work into getting them right), but I'd be concerned about the build quality as David outlined

Actually, I'll be completely backward and insist that the original Sylon/Broadside prototype be recast, haha. But seriously... both the Broadsides and the A-Sides are ugly as sin. Functionality is the key, though, and because of that I'd say the A-Sides should see a release

Oh, so they point blank refused to develop dies and moulds for different sizes? Hmm... the only thing I could think of to get round that would be to do some market research; get questionnaires/surveys done asking people whether they'd want Broadsides or A-Sides. That said, where are you gonna find 500 Soapers that to take part?

My only concern is that, by running the Broadsides, everyone will buy those and, if they do prove popular, there will still be no incentive to produce the A-Sides because everyone will be happy buying Broadsides, and it'd involve less investment on HSL's part. Unless Soaps suddenly blew up, but that's unlikely

I guess the best thing to do would be to re-release the Broadsides, in that case. Either way I'm not fussed; I'm a size 9 anyway, haha

My friends think every Soap shoe apart from the 3rd generation models are huge and chunky.

One of the reasons I prefer the newer soaps.

I just think the asides are big and kinda weird looking. I don't think they were made for style. Maybe when they gave the shoes to broox to test out, they just wanted to know how they grind. Cause I don't think it's current style is a very nice look.

My friends think every Soap shoe apart from the 3rd generation models are huge and chunky.

The Goa, Squeaky Clean, and Ordnance weren't bulky.

I totally agree with you there. And I'm talking about my non-soaping friends, my soaping friends are cool with them

I will say one thing though, I thought the design of the blue a-sides were A LOT better looking than the red. however, that's about it.

a wub fwoaps.nob weely be hiilis.

Fugly= Fucking ugly

Yeah, I think the A-Sides are sexy too but SOME PEOPLE just don't agree with me.

It's like the PS3 in reverse.

Derek helped develop the A-Side plate and it does lock in better than the Broadside plate; the sole plate is deeper, but as a result the sole of the shoe is thicker, which makes the shoe look very much like a brick

The styling of the shoe is every bit as important as the performance itself; if a shoe looks like cack, people won't buy it. Judging by such logic, there would only ever be one shoe with each plate type, and that would mean that the product only appeals to people who like that particular style. A wide range of styles means that the product would appeal to a far wider audience, so the challenge with any new Broadsides/A-Sides is to get a design that appeals to as many people as possible

Also, I can imagine that the amount of hype generated by the Broadsides is purely because people know what the Broadsides are; the A-Sides were never released, and I'm certain that had they been, people would be pressing them to be re-released over the Broadsides

Dude, those are barely grooves at all and will have little effect on the lock-in; the plate is still very much flat. The main advantage of the A-Side plate over the Broadsides is that the sole plate is deeper

I haven't worn them for many years. They've faded to a revolting pastel blue as well. I find them incredibly uncomfortable, too

God pillows? XD

noone cares about the PS3 man, this is a Soapshoes site

any further news on the free style walking game for PSP? or wahtever it is, do they have grind plate shoes?

i don't think it's going to have grind shoes...but i havnt checked in on it in a while...i know pretty much everyone's pumped about it.

So, with this email... Just how many people does HSL actually want buying the shoes before they will make the broadsides?

well im intrested never tryed the lateral plate before it looks intresting

Yea, having a Sole plate adds a lot of variety to your tricks. It also adds more variety to switch-ups

I don't think he does, as the lateral plate is featured on all grind shoes

Or any grind shoes for tht matter?

Yeah dude. Stop arguing. Soaps are about fun. If you don't care about Heelys...forget them and move on. And so what about this guy. Just leave it alone. No one is perfect, I bet yall don't even know him.

just a question, why hasn't this let sink down? :(

Almost immediately after this thread was created, we felt that it's content could potentially endanger Soap (via leading HSL affiliates/accomplices to images/discussions we were not comfortable with them viewing). So we wanted to sink the thread, thus making it unlikely that they would look at it.

shoes with wheels have been around before heelys, Soaps are one of its kind, they were the first and only shoes that grind and had an original idea of it's own, HSL probably bought them as an excuse to put plates on their wheels and not get sued or sumthing, but i give HSL props for trying to keep soaps alive still

If you have a decent reason like the thread for making your own soap stickers, but I'm not too sure why this one was revived. I'm pretty sure we didn't want this one around anymore. I believe the point was pointed out to everyone