Just get skate wax. And I think you should get the basics down before waxing your rails up to the max, because you are more than likely to fall flat on your arse

Lightly applying Candle wax should do the trick.....make sure that when u go buy the candle, its not smooshy when u press into it..make sure that its pretty hard....thats what i used to do....i ALWAYS used to wax my rails as a beginner

Gravity pulling you down? Dude, that's because your balance isn't right, not because the rail isn't waxed

Primal, water is terrible. Since it's a fluid it'll run off the rail in some places and stay in others, meaning that the effects are inconsistent

Wax is going to be a 'bad idea' for anyone who isn't used to it. The best advice when using wax for the first time is to be very careful with it, build it up layer by layer until the rail/ledge is as slick as you want it. And don't try and bust a huge grind on it straight away, test it out first otherwise you could be in for a rather painful surprise

You mean centrifugal force, and that pushes you against the rail you're talking about. But yeah, I didn't know the rail was a flatbar. Is it too wide to be able to lock your plates on top? Although that would be a pretty sketchy grind, especially on a curved rail

Yea, i'm with surfaced on that one....the first rail i ever grinded had to be waxed...lolz, as for you Sapauthor, dun ever pay 5 bucks for wax, unless its sk8 wax....the candles out here in NYC for me are a dollar and are kickass and a about 7in in length

it was skate wax. i'll try some reg candles too, see if it works.

I have a dummy question too.....i know what a cheesgrater is, but what is an Alley-oop Cheesegrater?

I agree. with mart....i;'ve never tried water but i never would....*cough ordnance, *cough removable plates, *cough rusty.....damn i think i have a cold ^_^

They don't go rusty. How stupid would it be to design a shoe to be worn for everyday use and make the screws out of iron?

i tried candle wax, and it works well (cept the white residue but oh well). Only thing that sucked was when i went, it was 85 with around 80% humidity, very sunny, so after about 30 minutes I was to sweety and hot to have any desire to jump or move, lol. It's better now, but i need to find someone to soap with, i find it's really boring to soap alone.

if my other friend with soaps dont come soaping with me i just get one of my skater friends to skate while i soap.

Bad idea. Soap shoes are no way built to take the punishment that skate shoes have. There are no ollie wear strips or, like, quadruple-stitched seams, plus heavy or awkward landings could cause the grindplate to catch on the deck, which isn't really what you want if you've just landed badly

Uuuh, don't be a dick. 'u may even be able to combine tricks for more variations' - how on earth would you 'combine tricks' if you weren't doing both at the same time? Soap tricks aren't translatable to skateboarding and vice versa, as they are both completely different sports, so you could only have meant doing both at the same time

Also, I'm guessing that most skaters would see people with Soaps as posers, especially if they're kicking around in a skatepark (which is one of the gayest places to Soap). Plus, since Soap is so similar to inline that'd get the skaters' backs up too, since anyone who bitches about fruitbooting is clearly in denial of the fact that it's an infinitely more stylish sport

Mart, lay off, your always so condescending. Firstly, it's fine to both Soap and Sk8board, but the shoes aren't meant to take the abuse so It is right ot say that you may want to wear sk8board shoes while ur sk8boarding.

Secondly, skate parks can be hte best place to START soaping, becuase they have the rails to get better on, expecially in areas that dont have a lot of rails (like Wisconsin). BUT, sk8boarders tend to hate soapers, so you may want to go early or when not many people are there.

And it's not the heat that kills, i'ts humidity, it's 80 degress out here and BEAUTIFUL, but it was 80 with a 80% humidity, and I thought i was going to die.

Best thign to do is try to get a close friend to start too, that way you can both improve together. Once you get good, start moving to bigger better things.

Okay, one more question from me though, when your going up to grind on a hand rail, do you go at an angle or straight on? I see everyone going at an angle to hop on. I tried straight on but I end up bailing cuz my rubber hits the rail (i'm still learning). So at angle = better then straight on?

and i agree with Sapauthor....there are plenty of people who could Soap and skate at the same time....and believe me, if you know what the fuck you are doing, you WONT catch the grind plate on ur deck....i'll admit, that almost happened to me but i can sk8 good enough not to catch my plates....I both SKATEBOARD and SOAP.....independently and at the same time....so YES, it IS possible

When was the first time? All I said was that Soaps aren't built for skateboarding and you bitched out at me, despite the fact that you miscommunicated what you were trying to say. So if you're going to get all up in my face about that then I'll call you whatever the hell I like

Also, it doesn't matter if you know 'what the fuck you are doing' or not, the fact is that everyone makes mistakes in any sport, regardless of how good you are, and wearing Soaps whilst skating adds an unnecessary risk because of the grindplates. Shoes flex but plastic doesn't. A heavy landing will cause the shoes to flex and could expose the grindplate to the surface of the deck. I never said skating with Soaps was impossible, I said it was a bad idea. Learn to read what I write. Don't assume that I'm being a bitch because, believe me, you'll know about it if I am

I don't get why you wouldn't back up a Heely kid. I mean, it's bent the way skaters have all these rivalries in the first place, but just because you don't like what sport that kid is doing doesn't mean he deserves to take shit from some intolerant fuckwit. Rise above it bro

ight MArt....its kool....lets start over, we used to be kool.......ight? i was just pissed...we kool?

dude.....learn angles....it'll teach you more balance.....put it on a cynder block and put something on the sides so that it doesnt roll off.....i started off on a floor, non-angle, square rail like you....except i dunno if ur rail is square...and you really dunt learn anything....

i dunno... a lot of the cornell demos on this site show people gettin on straight.

thats the way lighterkid! i like ur style....i bet ur gonna be maaad good soon

Oh, did i mention her step father is a giant trucker who is extremely mean and abusive? I dropped her off and waited for 5 min in case he tried to start somethig or hit her, i would be there to defend her. Poor girl :( she's cool, she deserves better.

dude....you just went from telling us about a sick ass rail to talking about getting a girl pregnant....i was interested in the rail.... you got any pics of it?