I agree about the petition wholeheartedly, but only if we reach the goal of required signatures or it will not work.

Please speak with us via email about it, otherwise we will contact sequential every single day as much as possible.

A petition sounds like a better idea, I didn't mean to make my thread so angry.

Like you guys said though it needs enough signatures. Whats your emails?

We already have one member who has produced some prototype grind plates.

I don't mean your own shoes for personal use. I mean actually making some proper grind shoes, the best ever made.

There aren't 10,000 people who genuinely are crying out for Soaps though, so ...

Mr philosophy major ;P

I'll go with option A. And if we don't get enough signatures, we have option B as a backup.
So, where's the petition?

Not to be mean but the petition will work if people won't be lazy :P jus sayin

I think the petition might be a challenge if we dont get enough people to sign. I think the only way to get enough signatures is if all active members take the demo approach and get people who show up to sign. But even then, that is a real challenge.

Our best approach may be to continue to contact SBG and maybe research other shoe companies who are just sitting and waiting to innovate to buy the soap patent? I think the best way to go about this is talk money with these people. They wont understand passion for Soap unless its thousands of people, and we dont have the advantage of that yet because it has been a few years removed since the shoe has been in production.

But we can try both approaches and see what happens--im afraid about the petition though because if we dont get enough signatures that may look bad.

Petitions have been tried consistently since about 2004. They even worked to a certain extent, but getting HSL to reissue Expresses took a petition, a dedicated promoter (who pretty much worked 7 days a week, for free), A personal website that was modified to be the online store and all sorts of other legwork by people already in the loop with HSL corporate. Getting shoes manufactured is a pretty sizable venture. If market reports show that the company stands to lose money on initial investments, with the eventual return hinged on the hope of product growth, they probably won't choose to invest. Especially not in dicey "Lifestyle" products like clothes. We look at them and say "Souless bastards". They look at us and say "Stupid children". My point isn't to be a big naysayer, just to drop a (sadly) much needed reality check. We're in a bad spot as the consumers of this product, because there simply aren't enough of us to be worth the investment anymore. I don't claim to be a genius at economics or anything, but all of this seems like common sense (to me at least, haha.) But If they see a large enough demand then they'll see it fit to supply us. So how do we increase demand? Hit the streets and spread the word. Grassroots promotion of all kinds might be our last, best hope. So don't give up the fight, keep the calls and emails rolling, but also don't expect a petition alone to be the magic bullet that resurrects soap as a brand.

I know what you mean about being busy and having a heavy workload dude. I'm less active on the forum now than I've ever been. I still soap every couple of weeks though. I'm looking to get some media up this year sometime hopefully. More media is a great way of spreading the word too, so good work man. It might be long in the works and long in the waiting, but I do still see soaps in the future.

I really want to put time and effort into resurrecting grind shoes too.

I think the best way to do that is to source the skills and materials required and use the existing knowledge of the community to design a better shoe than we have seen previously.

Lets take our energies and focus them towards activities that move us, inevitably, ever closer to our shared goal.

This is the future of Soaps. If a company starts to produce them then whoopee! But maybe they stop again or maybe no company starts. You could get 3 trillion signatures and be ignored by SBG. You could send 3 billion emails with no effect.

Or, we could pool knowledge and skills and resources to create our own grind shoes; the best ever produced... and every step would be a step closer to our goal. Unerring advancement. Guaranteed by our actions being focused on directly achieving our goal.

If we could find the resources to "resurrect" soap ourselves, that would be incredible. This could actually end up as a successful business venture. We would just have to figure out legally how to skirt being sued by someone like SBG, because it seems like theyd be more likely to do that then actually produce the shoes we want.

In the event we are able to do that, I would love to h elp make shoe designs! :)

*making mass amounts and selling them

How exactly is this off-topic? We are discussing the various options for trying to get grind shoes manufactured again. That is very much on-topic. Also, lol at SBG taking legal action against an alternative grind shoe.


There is no need for a vote, nor is there any need for us to only attempt one of the options on the table.

A better option would be to start all three projects and allow people to put in the time, effort and resources they can to each one when they both can and desire to do so.


1. Currently there is already a drive for us to contact SBG, many of us contact them regularly and, I'm sure, they will continue to do so into the future.

2. If you want to set-up a petition, just do so. Set-up the petition, I'm positive everyone here will sign it and those who can and want to can campaign for more signatures with your encouragement.

3. I want to work towards making production quality grind shoes of our own. So I, and whomever else wants to help, will find some it system that helps to facilitate this type of collaboration and start to encourage others to assist with the project.

I have another idea for getting to the bottom of what SBG is doing with soap, but I'd rather email about it in case they are checking up on this site regularly. someone please email me at chicagoan95@gmail.com

Cool beans. Keep the ideas coming.

My e-mail is in my profile, if you need to mail me for anything.