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Soap Shoes Express

A cemented on Nylon grind plate produced by HSL.

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Apr 21, 2006 AnthoFlex

The Expresses are pretty nice....i dunno why they always get made fun of though

May 2, 2006 Curtinator

I thought express's were not removeable grind plates.

May 2, 2006 Surfaced

They are not removeable.

May 4, 2006 AnthoFlex

Yea dude....all of HSL's models have the express plate or arent removable at all.

May 18, 2006 chip

ya the onley way to get them off is if you saw them off

May 23, 2006 onthegrindduude


May 23, 2006 onthegrindduude

sorry bout the caps lock that was an accident.

Jul 2, 2006 AnthoFlex

Ummm....actually chip, you cant SAW them off....you'll screw up the shoe.....Eventually, (if you use them a lot...I MEAN A LOT LIKE CRAZY) They may fall off...

Aug 3, 2006 Kile

i was wonderin if any-one know what they use to make the grind-plate stick to the shoe ?

Aug 4, 2006 Surfaced

Well, Kile, I don't know, probably some compound substance. But if you are thinking about making your own grinding shoes, that is a bad idea.

Aug 4, 2006 Kile

No, I wasent thinkin bout makin my own shoes . I was just
wondering because some of my friends cemented grind-plates r coming off.

Aug 13, 2006 SonicSoaper

They work pretty good on wood but not concrete.

Aug 24, 2006 SonicSoaper

Unless it's a concrete curb with yellow or blue paint or it's made just right then you can grind with these on curbs.

Sep 10, 2006 chip

that would be ralley funny if the plate fell off whene in a grind

Sep 10, 2006 AnthoFlex

Uhhh, no it wouldnt.....unless you love getting seriously hurt

Oct 17, 2006 SPSR

my friend made there own "soap" shoes, with a replaceable UHF plate, some saws and knifes and shoe glue in a tube. they stay together pretty well (i liked them more when they had ductape all over them and there was no glue involved.)

Nov 2, 2006 Kru

The heelys torch I have obviously has these plates. I tried them out on rough concrete, and it rips them up like sandpaper, I only did it one time and there were little chunks of plastic all over the concrete so Im not doing that again. These plates lock pretty well and are not too fast either. They where directed more towards smooth coping/rails and stuff. No sandpaper like surfaces because it will just chew up the plate.

Nov 2, 2006 matrix8967

yeah, mine get mauled after 1 curb...but my friend tried them, and he soaped up the rail (with hand soap) and then walked around in the dirt...so now i gotta scrub the hell out of them....but these plates are kinda sensitive to curbs...


Nov 3, 2006 Kru

I did a full test run today on these plates. Heres my diagnostic. They do well on benches, picnic tables etc. Unfortunely on painted surfaces they leave skid marks, the original plates I remember didn't do that. I never got the chance on the railing as it had this wierd coating on them all. I did however slide these bike racks and its nice. I'm not a novice on rails but I have to re-train my feet for I haven't done this in years.

So pros
Long lasting, slide not too fast but not too slow. Can tweak tricks pretty well. They really work well on wood.
no rough surfaces, most concrete eats them up.
The glued on plate makes planting feet a little strange if your used to bolt on plates (as I am)

Nov 5, 2006 Kru

Some more express info: It's too skiddy on some surfaces then sometimes it feels like running on a wood floor with wool socks. As well I can't mention enough it SUCKS sooo much you can't grind on concrete without fawking up the plate. These plates are unpredictable.. thanks HSL for producing this- unworthy of having the Soap logo on it. I want my UHF original plates back from my scabs, but I don't have them anymore.

Dec 28, 2006 Slidey

It's very good, grinds fast and tweaks well, but you need to wear a groove into it or else it will have the small chance of slipping out, and in wet conditions where your sole is wet as well as the rail, well, just look here


So yeah, beware of flat plates

Jan 20, 2007 SonicSoaper

The Express plates in my opinion are one of the best plates. yeah, they get chewed up pretty easily but they're great for beginners and pros.

Feb 3, 2007 SonicSoaper

And by the way, stop bitchin about these not being as good as the Speeder plates on the Scorchers. THEY'RE ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING!

Feb 3, 2007 matrix8967

yeah, my main complaint about the express is this.

artemis/in-stride had like...4 shoes (scorcher, praba, broadside, and flow) that had cemented plates...all the rest where lock on...so if you're plates got worn, you just spent 12 bucks and got new plates. you had a CHOICE of cemented plates or not...HSL shoes (being the EXACT SAME from the insole down) gives you NO choice...so cemented plates are not placed FOR you, they're there placed UPON you...

cemented plates are fine, if they're optional...HSL just pretty much said "if we don't make replaceable plates, then they'll have to spend ALOT more money to get new shoes...money in the bank"


Feb 3, 2007 matrix8967

lock on? wtf was i saying, they're replaceable***

Feb 3, 2007 shdook

You can only really compare these plates if you have used all kinds of plates. The thing that i dont like about these is that they seem to go slower than my bbks, and they arent removeable.

Feb 3, 2007 shdook

Oh yeah before anyone starts saying "if you had scorchers you wouldnt care" well, i would care if they made a removeable scorcher plate that would kick ass.

Feb 3, 2007 AnthoFlex

I CAN compare these plates because i have tried and used EVERY plate except for the impacts...and T-dones

The Express and the Speedsters both have the SAME V-lock in, the same recessed grooves at the top.....even the 3 thin line grooves on the Express match up EXACTLY like the Speedsters 3 groove lines....so yea, they are the same

Feb 3, 2007 shdook

Even though they are just about the same a removeable speedster or express plate would still be fucking amazing.

Feb 3, 2007 matrix8967

I want prabas and t-bones...


Feb 3, 2007 AnthoFlex

Yes it would shdook.....yes it would...

And if i rememeber correctly, there WERE replacable speedster plates.....on the Quickdraws

Feb 3, 2007 shdook

I would love to see what removeable scorchers look like.

Feb 3, 2007 AnthoFlex

*speedsters you mean right?

Well, according to Steve, the Quickdraw plate was a speedster with a single screwhole in the middle

Feb 3, 2007 SonicSoaper

Wouldn't that screwhole in the middle get messed up if you wear the plate down enough? I guess that's one of the reasons they didn't release them.

Feb 4, 2007 shdook

It says one of the problems was it fell off during grinds.

Feb 4, 2007 shdook

anyways i think this is probably one of the most durable plates.

Feb 4, 2007 AnthoFlex

I believe it is too....My Express has taken sooo much punishment....i think i've hit 80% more rocky ledges than i have rails with my Express...

Feb 4, 2007 SonicSoaper

Brick steps are really nice to hit with the Express plates. They've got those at my dentist's office.

Feb 4, 2007 Slidey

I've hit about 500 rails since Christmas and they are hardly scratched

Feb 5, 2007 ordnanceflint91

so far i like my express plates.....havent got to use them on rails but on my pvc pipe they work great...just got the shoes today but they are used but o well

Feb 12, 2007 soaper334

ive hit unwaxed and un painted curbs and ther not even chiped!but are they solid or hollow?

Feb 12, 2007 shdook

well of course their solid a hollow plate would make no fucking sense dude.

Feb 12, 2007 AnthoFlex

shdook, calm down.

And for your info, they arent hollow, if they were hollow, they would snap the instant you jumped on them (or maybe they wouldnt snap, just they wont last as long)

but im not holding it against you, you probably thought "are they light, not hollow"

Feb 12, 2007 shdook

oh yeah sorry if that sounded a little offensive yeah im not mad at you or anything.

Feb 12, 2007 AnthoFlex

and for your info is aimed at Soaper334, sorry

Feb 21, 2007 SonicSoaper

Yeah, since it's made from a nylon polymer, does it have little strands when you burn the plate like you would when burning nylon rope?

Mar 1, 2007 AnthoFlex

These and the Speedsters are DEFINETLY my favorite plates....those, and my yellow Octanes on my Septums

Mar 18, 2007 SonicSoaper

If only these were replaceable.

Mar 23, 2007 Zourdo

i have a pair of expresses, and im just a novice, but i think they work very well on everything except cement (unless its majorley waxed)

my opinion is to start out with these, then upgrade to something with a removable plate once you get more experienced.

Mar 23, 2007 AnthoFlex

Why "move up" to a replaceable plate shoe?

these shoes are super solid, they work well in ANY situation. For beginners AND pros

Apr 7, 2007 rhinoskater30

they should make all shoes with replaceable plates, just so you have more of a variety, and you're not just stuck with one plate...plus, if you mess your plate up youd have to buy a new shoe, which would be good for soap, but not you

Jun 21, 2007 iwantsoapshoes

are these fast? please, tell me they are fast.

Jul 11, 2007 Megashadow77

Well, I finally got my Ords. So, I got a chance to try out a few other plates, so, now I can give a better opinion on these.

They're really fast. Great lock in on some tricks. They're super light, and work really good on rails.
I only got a few problems. I said great lock in on SOME tricks. The V-Lock is great for untweaked trick. But, any tweak on the narrow part can be a bitch. Also, these are abseloute crap on ledges. DOn't grind them unless you're getting a groove into your plate, also, ask around before you do, to avoid ruining the plate.

Overall, I'd say they're good if your a rail person, but if you like to just get some soaping around town while doing daily stuff, watch it, or you'll tear up your plates.

Jul 11, 2007 Altman

Absolute crap? What are you, mad? The Express plate, though very delicate, is good for just about any grinding surface including ledges and curbs.

Jul 11, 2007 Megashadow77

First, they're my opinions. Second, I get no grind, only two inches of destruction, when grinding ledges with these.

Jul 12, 2007 RamenRadio

Aj, your torches didn't last very long and you grinded a lot of ledges

Jul 12, 2007 Altman

Yes, that's because those were TORCHES. Now I wear EXPRESSES. The Torches weren't really well designed for grinding, they just look like they were.

Jul 12, 2007 RamenRadio

Dude, it's the same plate..... I don't think there's any difference.....

Jul 12, 2007 Page645

think, think????? there is no difference!

Jul 12, 2007 AnthoFlex

Unbelievably stupid.

and a COMPLETE waste of space

Jul 12, 2007 RamenRadio

Wait, our comments or AJ's?

Jul 12, 2007 Page645

probably AJ's

Jul 27, 2007 gbajosh

i just got the heely blaze off ebay for 30 bux! they own the plate is so sick! I been reading this site for a year now and finally got my expresses!

Jul 27, 2007 Altman

But then again keith, you do say some stupid stuff.

Jul 27, 2007 Page645

dude wtf r u talking about that was like 2 weeks ago

Aug 30, 2007 witt

so ur saying these plates suck cuz i just got the express shoe and im gana be pretty pist if tehy dont come. and also is trhe express plate the only plate that works with the express shoe?

Aug 30, 2007 witt

if they dont come off*

Aug 30, 2007 AnthoFlex

The express plate is non-removable. But it doesnt need to. It last super long and has speed grooves and lock in points

Sep 2, 2007 greenfire8484

ok... i like these plates, and since i knew this one guy with BBKs (damn that was a while back) and i can fairly say... great lock in. A bit wobbly, though, sometimes. Maybe it's just me. Oh well. I've been on these two great GREAT rails several several times and i have not a scratch. Not one. Strange. Didn't know they would be that un-scratchable when it came to rails. They've got good slide, but some rails just don't.... do it for me. Just... little slide. I know, that was a... split opinion lol, but I mean those mellow-angled ones.

Sep 2, 2007 RamenRadio

Personally I'm one that prefers bbks

Jan 28, 2008 spamincan

best plate they should never use anything else besides this one plate they should have only had this plate out b/c this plate is better than the one on the grails

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

This has got to be the best plate I've ever used.

.....and yes, this is the only plate I've ever used lol.

I really wish HSL would put more soap plates in their pro heelys models....

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

our plates are too pro for you Heelers, so sorry

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

oh w/e.....:P

our heelys are too pro for you soapers. That's why you don't skate.

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

I sk8 and Blade Kain, so shut it.

I wanna see your best Heeling grinding vid and compare it to the one im making. Then let's see who's "pro"

"pro" heelers and "pro" soapers...you heelers are fucking idiots

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

Well of course you'll win a grinding comp. You're a SOAPER. All you do is grind. Heelers practice grinding, vert, and street, so we will never be as good as you at grinding b/c we don't specialize in one thing. I'd love to see you beat one of us at an all street/all vert comp.

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

Theres like 20 things i wanna say to that, but then you heelers will go crying to momma HSL saying that "the soapers are harassing us again..." so rather then letting out everything, i'll keep it stored in

After all the shit that has happened to me today, NOONE wants to see me explode

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

But i will thank you for one thing. You are the FIRST and ONLY Heeler who has recognized that soapers are indeed the superior grinders. All other heelers are waaay too thick headed to admit it. So is HSL.

So thank you

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

Right.....b/c if you explode we all die....right.....

You, and a bunch of other ppl for some reason, think that heeling is just for little kids. I could say things to you, but you don't go crying to the soap shoe company saying "the heelers are admitting how much better they are than us again".....you don't, do you? Neither would we. But since you're not in an arguing mood.......

The fact is, heeling is better than soaping. Soaping is pretty much the same thing as heeling grind-wise except for broadsides, but heelys has vert and street on their side. If you think soaping is better than heeling, let's see some tech tricks on a slab of concrete, or a 10 ft. drop in and airing out.

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

10 ft drop in to air out? Thats pretty kool....IF you landed on your wheels afterwards and rolled away clean.

I'm not bashing on you guys for having fun. Thats what we do to. We just have fun.

But saying Heelys is the next xtreme sport and saying you guys do tech tricks on vert and stuff isn't cool

theres nothing "tech" or technical about stepping into a grind, or stepping into "rolling away clean" on vert after an air.

And as a soaper with Broadsides, i can take my "fun" to the next level.

Oh, and Heeling isnt better than soaping. And Heeling IS for little kids....just look at this kid:


Feb 4, 2008 Megashadow77

I just have 2 things to say....

1. You're fucking stupid.

2. Get the hell off our website

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

Yea bro, we dont go on your Heelychat bashing you kids or saying we're better than you.

And also, you little pricks have gone crying to HSL MANY times saying that we harass you, even though we don't. How do I know? Becuase i'm the one who gets the emails from the bigger ups telling is "please be nicer to the heelers, they're just little kids"

Feb 4, 2008 IVI4V3R1CK

um, if I could comment on this... I feel that this is a battle between inline and skateboard. I mean, honestly thinking about it, both have their ups and downs. HSL has their trick catalogue, but Soaps allow for more aggressive grinding in places that even Heelys couldn't go into. I am a heeler myself, but I respect the Soaping community for what they have contributed to aggressive sports. I mean, honestly, who in their right mind ever thought that SHOES would be a new form of sporting.

AnthoFlex - I feel your frustration when it comes to people dissing your sport. Looking at it from our perspective, we get the same stuff, but honestly, you can't go around calling us all little kids. Most people who aggressively heel are out of high school already.

Kain - You have to remember that Soapers were here WAY before HSL, and established a WAY larger trick catalogue before we even thought of adding a wheel. Soapers will always reign out when it comes to grinds, but it isn't right to challenge someone of a different sport. Its like trying to compare a Camaro and a Mustang. Both are muscle cars, but both are completely different, especially when it comes to the support for the company.

All in all, in my opinion, one sport isn't better then the other sport. We do what we do because we like to do it, and if it varies from the other sport, well then so be it. But to compare the two, then diss on the other crowd... Seriously, thats what gives us a bad name...

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

woah this new dude is like Jesus, im not mad anymore, haha

Godamn it, i feel like such a hypocrite...I'm the one always on youtube putting the blader haters and the sk8 posers in their places (since i do both and love them both very much) by reminding them that you wouldnt see a Sk8r grind down a 150 foot handrail, and you wouldnt see bladers flipping their skates around and catching them midair before landing.

(thus showing that both have their ups and downs)

So yea, my bad bro.

Feb 4, 2008 IVI4V3R1CK

Haha, since I heel, and it looks like I float, people call me Jesus... how ironic... lol

Naw, its cool man, cause I feel your pain... Whats you're YouTube, I'd like to hit it up. I support you Soapers and your grinds are AMAZING... I look up to you guys for my own practicing, as well as my fellow heelers for vert stuff... I just want, and I know this sounds fruity as hell, for us all to just get the hell along... We can learn a lot if we just pull our heads from the I'm better attitude...

So no apologies needed my friend, and keep on doin the things you do best

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

Antho, whoever you're getting these ideas from, they're DEAD WRONG. I'll never hesitate to admit that soapers are WAY better at grinding. And btw...a lot of ppl on heelychat like soap shoes, and have them to practice grinding b/c HSL is too stupid to put different pro plates on their models. The problem is....you pay attention too much. All you see are the little kids that roll around and run into ppl. Saying you can grind with a shoe isn't cool to a lot of ppl, but you made it cool. Saying rolling around on a wheel in your heel isn't cool, but we made it cool. If you paid more attention to aggressive heelers, you'd learn a lot. We don't step into grinds or airs, we do everything on vert straight off our wheels. And if whoever can't.....needs more practice.

Oh, and heeling ISN'T for little kids.

P.S.Megashadow77......shut up

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

Its not totally you guys that piss me off. It's also HSL's attitude towards soapers. And the SSsoapshop. I've devoted the last 2 1/2 years entirely to the revival of soap (which i've done a kickass job of doing) and i STILL don't get any respect from HSL.

Not to mention the crap with the demo coming up...

Feb 4, 2008 IVI4V3R1CK

HSL has their head up their ass, dude... I can't stand them sometimes, just due to the larger size shoes... I am paying up to triple digits to get a large shoe so I can heel aggressively... For all that I'm concerned, Soap takes care of their clients... HSL takes care of their pockets...

Feb 4, 2008 Kain

well HSL isn't in charge of us. We respect soapers and the awesome grinds they can do. The reason WE get mad is b/c soapers don't respect the vert/street heelers can do. What needs to happen is someone on Team Heelys should talk to HSL about advertising new styles of soap shoes in their commercials. I mean, when HSL bought the soap shoe patent, it was the end for all the specialized plates like curb busters and BBKs. Heelys are super-popular as it is. If HSL would put in advertisements for soap shoe plates/shoes, it would be a HUGE boost in soaping popularity.

Feb 4, 2008 AnthoFlex

I already got HUGE boosting for soap in check. every single day i got hit highly populated areas and soap.

I impress the norms, and shut the haters up.

But one person can only do so much in this big city

Feb 5, 2008 AnthoFlex

*go hit

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

That's what we're doing. We go to populated places and heel around, on street we do tech and grinds, at skateparks we do vert. So far the rep of heelys is getting a lot better, and a lot more ppl are getting into soaping too b/c they see heelers grinding.

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

Most, if not all, heelers know and tell ppl about soap shoes and/or own a pair.

Feb 5, 2008 rhinoskater30

I wouldn't know but would probably say that people that heel don't tell anyone about soaping because uhh, they're too young, maybe?

That's crap. I didn't want to say anything here but it ticks me off. All of a sudden soaping is gone and is almost replace with a figgen wheel in a shoe. Okay, heelys are fun, but sooner or later seeing a 20 year old + guy/girl on two wheels isn't too cute.

It pisses me off when kids run into me with their heelys. And I don't say ANYTHING. But I will tell you this...

I did heel, in five days I could do you're little tricks in spins and one-footed crap. It's not cool, it's annyoning, for kids it fun, but it's really annoying. Some adults and probably most older people get scared half to death to see little kids rolling, or trying to roll.

And soapings the same way, but we don't try to show it off unless it's around people we know.

We want to promote Soaping since not many people know about it or have forgotten it. Antho has done a pretty good job. But we don't want to say which one's better. Sorry Antho, but Antho can't make a Soap shoe on his own, neither can I. Soap is in HSL's hands. (Okay, that was weird...) So we try not to stick in in your faces.

Now I think I'm rambling...long day today.

Don't tell us Heelys is sooo much better than Soaps. In the end, both are just FUN. None are really sports, they have derived from sports, but are not. I just hate seeing how people say Heelys is the best when really it's two shoes. And ultimately, that is the difference between Heelys and Soaps. Soapers just wanna chill. Not create any commotion, just have fun.

Isn't that what it's really all about?

Feb 5, 2008 DarkVermillion

Kain, dude, heeling is just a cheap rip-off of inlining, so grow balls, and put a pair of blades on.
And least soapers don't have to get bombed on for wearing kiddy shoes. I will admit, I've seen some heelers hit some crazy grinds, but that's it, grinds.
The little wheelie thing is pretty flamboyant, just take the wheels out and walk around with SHOES not HIGH HEELS.
Now before you want to bash us and sick your kiddy posse on us, get the facts.
Soaping is better.
Soaping attracts an older group.
And Soaping has been around longer.

Feb 5, 2008 rhinoskater30

*gay voice*

and heels just kill my feet...

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

Listen here you stupid high heel girly children pieces of shit, your heely scum has in fact said to HSL whining that we are making you look bad because we're talking about how heeling gets boring or whatever the subject.

So don't you DARE say that you fucking idiots don't whine to HSL, because you do.

I don't care wtf you do, whether you are on your heels looking like a moron waiting to get flamed, or pretending to be inline skaters by doing some ramp.

The MINUTE you go crying to a company saying that we are mean saying that we aren't interested in a piece of shit product, you prove yourselves to be a bunch of stupid ass posers.

Seriously, we don't need your bullshit, and we don't want it.

HSL should stop doing nothing and remaking piece of crap models such as grind this, rails, and 5-0, and do something that will actually make them money.

And Kain, HSL owns soap. Do some research kid.

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

DV, thank you for your comment, you're COMPLETELY right.

Feb 5, 2008 rhinoskater30

Oh yeah, one last little comment.
Soaping is really in your face.

One second walking, the next, flying down a rail.

Heelys is, just pick up your heels and go, i guess. Look like your walking fast to me.

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

And Kain, heelys suck so much. You guys make heelys cost a good amount, and they feel so god damn uncomfortable.

What's that about?

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

Wow, I can't believe the hate on this site...

not everyone that heels is young. Some of the best are in their 20s, just like you guys. Sooner or later, wouldn't seeing a 20+ year old person slide across a bench or rail look not too cute? Maybe you could do a few flatland tricks after 5 days. So could I. but it took me half a year to learn all the vert I know now. idk about most ppl, but personally I don't show off for ppl that aren't interested. I only use heelys in skate parks. Like you, I want to promote soaping b/c it's cool. But yeah, I agree with you about the fun part. I would've been fine the way I was until antho went all "fuck HSL" on me.

maybe, but isn't soaping a cheap rip-off of grinding on blades? Grow balls and put a pair of blades on. The problem is HSL fucked up their reputation by trying to pass off as a kiddie shoe. Now that we're trying to change it, everyone still sees it as a stupid kiddy shoe. Soap has the advantage there b/c they started off advertising to an older crowd. That's why I heel. To revolutionize something that wasn't even meant to be an aggressive sport. That's the challenge of it. I don't have a "kiddy posse", I mean c'mon, I'm 15. I can handle things like this on my own.

*sigh*....again with the stereotypes......
You talk about heelers as if we're all one big group. Everyone's different, and if ppl are stupid and immature enough to go whining to a company about something like that, it's just them. I could just as easily say you're pretending to be inliners by grinding down a rail, but that's not what soaping or heeling is meant to be. If you had ppl like that on your team, we could call you posers. They are working on better styles of heelys with bigger wheels and nicer grind plates, not remaking the piece of crap models with tiny wheels and no plates. I already knew about HSL owning soap. And don't call me kid......I'm just a few years younger than antho, and certainly much more mature than you.

Well of course....if a soaper did a 3 inch grind on the edge of a bench, it would look stupid, wouldn't it? If a little kid rolled a few inches and fell, it wouldn't be impressive to me either. Obviously you haven't seen much vert.

My point is everyone misunderstands HSL and heelys. That's why we're trying to change their image. You say they're for little kids, but look at yourselves. You're little kids. If a soaper came onto heelychat.com and wanted to try heelys, he'd be welcomed onto the site with open arms. When I come onto this site, even though I think soaping is awesome, the minute I mention heelys I have a bunch of ppl trashing me. How mature is that?

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

Horse shit you are.

And if you are working on "better models", then they wouldn't be releasing the 5-0

And what soap shoes were meant to be was to be able to grind when you aren't wearing your skates.

Not only that, Chris morris made the shoes to be for ordinary average people too. "people love to slide" was what he said.

And no Kain, you came here hating, so don't you say that to us *sigh* see? I can do that too.

So if you have nothing to say here, and if you aren't going to be peaceful, you should just leave.

But everyone has the RIGHT idea of HSL. And I don't need you acting like an ass anymore. If HSL was as great as you say they are, they would be releasing our new soap models, and giving us soap shoes with broadsides.

But do they give us the opportunity? No.

it's people like you that make things not fun. You ruin it for everyone.

It's like you have to define why everything is fun, and then you use what you think to trash us.

Man, you're a disappointment. I'm done with this shit.

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

And just so you know, we moved it to a new place in the forum.

Maybe you should take my advice like I said before and RESEARCH.

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

Just listen to yourself

The "better models" aren't scheduled to be released until July 2008.

What heelys intended to do was to be able to roll without skates. But heelys and soap shoes both changed into something that they weren't meant to be, sports on their own.

Heelys were also designed to be for "ordinary average ppl" too.

I didn't come here hating. I don't hate soap shoes at all. I just like soap shoes AND heelys, which is apparently unacceptable here.

You and everyone else on this site attacking me are the ones who aren't being peaceful. I'd love things on here to be peaceful. A stupid little kiddie shoe isn't the RIGHT idea of HSL or soap.

Besides....what do you think we're trying to do? I want a pair of broadsides, but the ppl in charge of HSL, whoever they are, are too busy with sticking their thumbs up their asses to do something like that. Instead, they ruin their market with things like gamers.

Aren't you guys the ones ruining this by spamming up the site with your hate messages? I was just fine commenting on pics and shoes, keeping my own peace, until I mentioned HSL and everyone started trashing me.

I'm not trying to trash you or soap shoes, b/c they're cool. I'm trying to get you to not trash me or heelys.

Feb 5, 2008 AnthoFlex

ugh, wasnt this stupid shit settled already?


Feb 5, 2008 Kain

I'd like it to be, but apparently not......

Feb 5, 2008 Page645

can we please leave the bitching to the forums?

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

I hope that was directed at antho......

Feb 5, 2008 Soapdreamer

Hey Kain maybe I could see how good heelers are. That Video about the demo in Disney land actually made me respect heelys even less.
What are some good heeling video's then?

Also when I hear about people airing into grinds I don't think its cool to do it that way especially if the rail is like a foot off the ground or something.
And while I was watching the video I saw a comment that said that we don't vault or jump onto our rails we just air into them instead. And im thinking that Heelys are not meant for skatepark type tricks and airing onto a rail is a lot harder and ineffecient than jumping and vaulting.
I may not have soaps yet but i have been doing jumps, climbs, vaults, and sliding down wet handrails and walking on dry handrails hip height.

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

Express aren't even good grind plates in the first place. It's just a rip-off of a previous soap shoes grind plate, and you end up skidding on the rubber.

It sucks.

Feb 5, 2008 Kain

heelys weren't originally designed for vert, that's why it's challenging to think of ways to improve it. Rolling into a coping grind is actually better than stepping into it, it's smoother. Besides....I've never seen a soaper do coping grinds....

But I see where you're coming from. I do that stuff in my evos and just take out the wheels, b/c I also do parkour, and it's fun to combine that and soaping.

......so why does Antho like express?

Feb 5, 2008 DarkVermillion

Oh, and I DO inline.

Feb 5, 2008 Kain


A lot of heelers do too

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

His first pair of soap shoes.

Feb 5, 2008 AnthoFlex

My express plates are kickass. everyone hates on them because you're all too damn lazy to get a decent groove in your plates.

Do you guys need to be schooled? Where's Ryan? Tell him to show you the BiS video and pictures of his express. That'll shut you all the fuck up.

My express plates have a deep piercing groove in em

And grinding on coping on soapshoes has been done many times...its just not common because we normally do high ledges and handrails.

Just look at the Zero gravity demo video

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

Ryan uses Scams

Feb 5, 2008 AnthoFlex

no he doesnt

Feb 5, 2008 AnthoFlex

old, old, old

He even said in a fucking thread that he's retired his scams. He uses Express now.

Bro, i know wtf im talking about

Feb 5, 2008 RamenRadio

I don't think he said that.

I dunno what thread you are talking about, and I don't know which account you're thinking of either. Rynasty, or his old one.

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

Rynasty. Anywayz, if he didnt say it on a thread then he told me straight. Because i remember it clear as a bell

Feb 6, 2008 Megashadow77

"You're little kids. If a soaper came onto heelychat.com and wanted to try heelys, he'd be welcomed onto the site with open arms."

I can't remember where I saw it....but I remember somebody going onto Heely chat that was a soaper, and they were like "ewwww, a soaper."

also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K495SukLBg

Check out number 9, EVERYTHING he says about it.

I'm out.

Feb 6, 2008 sam

"Wow so much hate, you guys must really enjoy your lives" -Alexei Tajzler

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

Zero Gravity Demo?


well whenever that happened, I wasn't there. I know most of us wouldn't do that. And I've seen that vid.....he's probably one of those ppl who, yet again, knows nothing about the capabilities of heelys......

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

Um......coping grinds? lol

They're kinda like heelys....but still....you don't get the same flow going up and down the ramps. Plates without wheels are more suited for flatland/handrails

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

You guys say soaping isn't for little kids, and heeling is. But at the end of that demo, there are little kids trying to grind, and they're not very good at it.


Feb 6, 2008 Megashadow77

....Y-....You know what, fuck it.

I'm out.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain


Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Hey asshole, there is no age limit. It goes for everyone of all ages.

If you're so intrigued, go check out the video archive on sssoapshop.com

Chris morris himself talks about how there is no age limit for soap shoes. Kids could grind, fine, adults can grind, fine.

It's about fun, and your god damn statistics ruin it all. You say it's about fun, yet you keep ranting on and on like an idiot.

Feb 6, 2008 Soapdreamer

Look its just mostly how heelys is marketing everything.
Heelys how to

This video seems like something that would appear on some kidsy cartoon channel during the commercial break.
Im so glad heelys isn't going to do the soaping how to.

And then there is the rumor about heelys trying to get their sport into the olimpic games is this true? Because then that means its trying to make it an extreme sport at the same time which isn't the idea for heelys.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

That's exactly what I'm saying. Soaping has no age limits. That's why I wonder why ppl think heeling has an age limit, when it's all about doing tricks and having fun. You think you guys aren't ranting on like idiots when you constantly talk about heelys being gay?

I agree with you. That's what we all mean by heelys ruining their marketing. I'd say the same about not wanting heelys to do a soap commercial, b/c it would ruin the hopes of anyone that may have thought soaping was cool. I don't think heelys is ready for the Olympic Games yet, but idk what HSL could be up to....

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Some people like heelys, some people don't.

What's so wrong about that? I tried a pair and I didn't find it interesting.

Maybe it was the grind this model I tried out, maybe I was using a crappy model.

But I tried it, and I found it kind of boring. There isn't anything wrong with someone that isn't interested in heelying.

Just because it's one less profit for HSL, doesn't mean that it is in the bible that thou shall heely or something.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain


And I know what you mean. But what would you say to someone that just happened to not like soaping and came on here saying "SOAPS SUCK BALLS!!!"?

Feb 6, 2008 Soapdreamer

We are talking more about what is heelys target which is kids. And i guess they got what they wanted to get.But by making it kid freindly they have a problem. It is now considered a kids toy.

I believe this image is exactly what heelys (the company)was looking for in kids. There are older hardcore heelers good for them helping heelys get out of the problems they company may be having.
But the demographic of the company is kids.

Demographic =/= age limit

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Yeah, it's happened before.

And I don't care if they do. It's not my concern about what people like and don't like man. As long as they don't diss on people like DEOS, Relate, or some other cool guys that really know what they are doing, I don't care man.

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

that comment was for Kain btw

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

and SoapDreamer, it's not clear what the heck anyone wants anymore.

HSL one minute AIMs them at kids, the next minute people are begging Heelers to "train and train" because they want to make it the newest aggressive sport.

Feb 6, 2008 Soapdreamer

Cool well i really like this debate and all but im out because I don't like being tired for school later.May talk later tommorow.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

heelys started trying to switch their market aim to an aggressive sport for teens/adults about 3-4 years ago, and something like that takes a while. Obviously, it's getting closer to that, b/c the demand for skatepark styles like Evos and Torch in larger sizes are higher than they've ever been.

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Then I don't understand why the make the grind this model with small fats wheels that kill your heels. That's a bit odd if you ask me.

Seth described it as having a metal spike being inserted into your heels I believe.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

actually...I think the fats models are more comfortable and easy to walk around in, but they're crap to skate in

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

I felt the wheel right against my heel when I tried it out.

I think the fats wheels released in the grails and neos were better than the fats wheels used in grind this.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

I only have 2 styles with fats wheels. I know reflex has fats wheels and no grind plates, but it's the MOST COMFORTABLE style ever b/c of a suspension system in the heel that makes it look like nike shox. We're also trying to get HSL to put that system in the aggressive models for comfort.

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

Wow travis, are you seriously giving HSL advice on what shoe/wheel combo to use in their next shoe?

What side are you trying to help retard?

Feb 6, 2008 Soapdreamer

He explaining why he doesn't like heelys shoes.
Its much better than saying heely shoes suck.
Its says why he is unhappy with product.

With heelys though I think that no matter what you do it will feel a bit like wearing raised heel shoes instead of casual shoes.Thats just the nature of the product and you can't just go fix that without either making heelys soles mega thick throughout(NOT a good idea) Or moving the wheels (Even worse idea).
The reason soaps feel better as shoes than heelys is because Soaps uses the shoe shape and design as the arch in the foot. Where heelys cut out a hole in the shoe and put a wheels there.

And Jeez Anthro I thought you were the more calm voice of reason in these kinds of argue ments calm down.

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

once again its ANTHO. And I wanna see you calm when you have less than a month to throw and perfect a soapshoes demo with no-one listening to jack-shit that you need to have done.

I've only gotten my stuff done. Bus ride (which i paid for), waivers, and stickers. Everything else is still a mess and we're way behind schedule.

Not to mention Travis giving heelers and HSL more brilliant ideas to add to their new heelys that will continue to fuck soap in the ass.

So don't tell me to be calm, tell whoever needs to be helping that isn't to help...i've been trying to calm down for the past week or so and it isn't working

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Dude all I said was that the fat's suck

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

But Renny has his own stuff to deal with. Just let him be guys.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

Take a chill pill. Don't take your anger and stress out on solidgrind. Travis (I'm assuming is RamenRadio) was just trying to help. Heelys don't need to be crap for soaps to be popular. HSL can have good quality soaps AND heelys. Besides, if their heelys suck, how will they get enough money to bring soap back?

exactly. Heelys are never going to be comfortable with the wheel it, but you need a big wheel to do vert better. Fats were more comfortable, but the loss of performance just isn't worth it. That's why I never walk further than 10 ft on my evos without taking the wheels out. Even without the wheel, soaps are still better to grind in b/c they're more comfortable without that big hole in the heel, and they're more shock absorbent.

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

Do not lecture me

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Kain, HSL used to have money you know. Their stocks were once up at 40 dollars per stock, and went down to 6 man.

So they could have done so much a long time ago.

So many people are just disappointed because since 2003, they haven't done much at all for soap. I don't know the exact date that HSL decided to discontinue everything but express, but it's just upsetting about what they did.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

I know. That's why all the heelers hate it that we couldn't do something about it sooner. Back then, heelys wasn't even on vert yet, so the team didn't have much influence on the company. It was still in it's early "experimental" stages.

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Cost them a lot unfortunately :(

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

yep. But that's HSL's fault. Hopefully now that they're so desperate they're actually LISTENING to us, we'll get some good heelys/soap models soon

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

What about the SSSoapshop? They have been waiting so long for the new shoes to arrive.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

if you mean scorcher and broadside, I know. I want to try both of them, but we're still working on convincing HSL

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Actually, I heard that HSL was supposed to send them more express and size 13 express.

But by all means, if you guys can send out scorchers and broadsides, that would be great too.


Feb 6, 2008 Kain

lol, I hope so.

$30 for size 3 express and $50 for size 9......???

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Express? I think that's the prices.

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

Um.....yeah....I'm saying why is it $30 for size 3, and $50 for size 9?

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

There aren't as many sales for the smaller sizes I guess. I dunno, I don't work for soap haha

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

You got comments on the prices? Lay em on me

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

I thought you did.....
Anyway, I hope they get broadsides soon.

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Renny works for soap, I don't work for soap man haha.

Would be pretty cool working for HSL though. Maybe I could teach 'em a thing or two lol

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

idk who renny is....so....lol....
We're the ones trying to teach HSL what they need to do to now go completely down the tubes. You guys already rock at grinding.......learn some flatland/vert, and you're in lol

Feb 6, 2008 RamenRadio

Renny is AnthoFlex dude

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

You got questions or comments about the prices? You talk to me

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

oh lol. Isn't he in a really bad mood right now?......he's going all "fuck HSL" again....

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

are you purposely trying to be annoying?

Feb 6, 2008 Kain

to you...........maybe =D

Feb 6, 2008 AnthoFlex

A little kid, like i said. And nothing more

Got nothing better to do than piss me off even more than i already am.

Feb 9, 2008 Kain

Well you guys are adults, but sometimes you have nothing better to do than bash heelys....

Feb 9, 2008 AnthoFlex


No no, don't get it twisted bro. I bash the stupid heelers when they attack soapers on Heelychat, or hate, or come on here and act retarded

Feb 9, 2008 Kain

idk what kind of traumatic experience you had with heelers before, but you seem to think we're all the same....

Feb 9, 2008 AnthoFlex

I just have a special bond with Soap as a whole.

and its my job to do whatever it takes to bring back the good name. I've taken the role.

Feb 9, 2008 Kain



Mar 7, 2008 Revengasaur

After trying some other plates, I have a newfound respect for the express. They are nice and speedy with great lockin and control, and they put up with some serious abuse. The thing is, I think mine may be a little defective. They are incredibly soft (hence a lot slower) compared to the other expresses my friend has. Anybody else ever run across this?

Apr 7, 2008 wyattpeterson

no revengasaur mine are very fast ..but very durible and have good lock in because i created a grooveon them :P

May 13, 2008 Spano565

Idk about the express anymore they take abuse and everything, but they're not fast for me.I can't wait till i get my ords, then i can get replaeable plates and shit.I'm going to be only using my express for ledges, and curbs stuff like that.They don't suit me to well for rails for some reason.(Even tho i have a small groove in them already because i was grinding everything in sight yesterday.I just prefer them on ledges,curbs,and benches mostly.)But then again its all personal preference. - Joe

May 13, 2008 Spano565

Idk about the express anymore they take abuse and everything, but they're not fast for me.I can't wait till i get my ords, then i can get replaeable plates and shit.I'm going to be only using my express for ledges, and curbs stuff like that.They don't suit me to well for rails for some reason.(Even tho i have a small groove in them already because i was grinding everything in sight yesterday.I just prefer them on ledges,curbs,and benches mostly.)But then again its all personal preference. - Joe

May 13, 2008 anaholaboys

maybe you should wax the rail...

May 13, 2008 aughey456

It Spano again, and i didn't have any candles atm but i just picked some up.Express are a solid plate but so far i prefer curbs and ledges right now.Don't get me wrong i love soaping nice vert rail and the like but i want to get nice deep grooves in them before i try really hard handrails ya know./So i don't rack each time i try a high handrail.And i got back into my groove again suprisingly quick.

May 13, 2008 anaholaboys

well if you think about it.
as long as you use the express plates. you should have decent lock-on to rails. its not like you have to go around screwing your plates up for a groove. but instead you should practice your balance on rails more.

May 14, 2008 wyattpeterson

i think expresses are sooooooo god damn fast ... i hate when people wax the rails at my skatepark lol it hurt my toes a lot when the rail is waxed too much

Aug 14, 2008 sk8rkidd321

im a beginner can anyone tell me about my plates?

Aug 14, 2008 Pluh

Are you using the Express plates?

Aug 14, 2008 sk8rkidd321


Aug 14, 2008 sk8rkidd321

i have two questions about them

Aug 14, 2008 sk8rkidd321


Aug 14, 2008 Altman

And those questions are?

Aug 14, 2008 Pluh

Yes, I'm curious to what the questions are

Aug 15, 2008 sk8rkidd321

is it ok to grind on concrete and how do you "wax" them

Aug 15, 2008 Pluh

I've grinded on many a concrete ledge with my Express soaps, and they hold up very nice in my opinion. Just make sure to not do to rough of a surface.

And you don't wax the plates, you wax what you're going to grind on, if it even needs it. In most cases, they only time i've needed wax is if the rail was rusty, or the ledge was really jagged.

Aug 18, 2008 scuzzydontask

i have wooden steps and the ledge of my picnic table that i like to grind but my rents get mad cuz it scratches the wood. any solutions???

Aug 18, 2008 Altman

Buy a practice rail.

Aug 18, 2008 sam

Or better yet build one...

Aug 19, 2008 scuzzydontask

i will if i can.

Aug 20, 2008 sk8rkidd321

thank you pluh

Aug 20, 2008 Pluh


Apr 26, 2013 Revengasaur

Dude, so funny going back and glancing at these old posts. You could buy new expresses for $55.

Jun 4, 2013 kowalski


Renny aka AnthoFlex was a little cock-jockey. Soap choosing him to resuscitate their dying scene / industry was a huge mistake.

A challenge like that requires wisdom, maturity and godlike social skills.

The story continues ...

Jun 4, 2013 Revengasaur

Renny was/is very intense. Not a man for the weak of heart to deal with. He did more for soaps than almost any other person, but like all of us who have so much passion and obsession with something obscure, eventually we need a break from the battle. Sometimes forever. Renny may have said and done some things he/we might regret now, but he was a true warrior for the good name of SOAP. I'll never forget that.

Jun 5, 2013 gongon1037

that was quite a battle they had going on here, an all out soap/heely war. I wonder if he still wears soaps, or if he uses them

Jun 5, 2013 Relate2Videos

Kowalski dude you have no idea. Revengasaur like I usually say though he should have tried to stop making his requests into demands. I know this is old but still it wasnt professional.

Dan I dont think you want the answer to that question

Jun 5, 2013 zelda

so messed up

Jun 5, 2013 Relate2Videos

lol I know right? It's over and done with but sometimes I can't help but notice if it was approached differently, whether or not soap shoes would still be around today.

I know the recession played a significant part, but still.

Mar 25, 2014 LIGERZERO7

Heheh... checked back on this... This whole thing was a conversation on heelys vs soaps. Not that the stuff surprised me or anything but still, not much stuff on the express plate you know. Just my slice of pie. (Don't hate please, no offense)

Apr 2, 2014 zelda

All those people are gone dude

Apr 2, 2014 mcgrinder2011

I think we know that, Even a noob like me knows when a member is gone because I mod another forum myself. I'm even friends with the admin/owner.

Not proving anything, just bragging a bit.

May 16, 2015 Waffle

Seriously cant wait to try these beasts.

May 16, 2015 aname

They're pretty good shoes. The plates are pretty fast and good for tweaked tricks. All the HSL made shoes were also really light.

May 16, 2015 LIGERZERO7

Ya these shoes were great imo!
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